City of Kingston

Kingston Heritage Properties Committee

Minutes

2025-01
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Council Chamber
Members Present:
  • Councillor Glenn
  • Councillor Oosterhof
  • Jennifer Demitor
  • Peter Gower
  • Robert Mayo
  • Ann Stevens
Regrets
  • Gunnar Heissler
  • Alexander Legnini
  • Daniel Rose
Staff Present:
  • Sukriti Agarwal, Manager, Policy Planning
  • Luke Follwell, Director, Engineering Services 
  • Kevin Gibbs, Director, Heritage Services
  • Allison Hannah, Committee Clerk
  • Jennifer Hay, Heritage Coordinator
  • Joel Konrad, Manager, Heritage Planning
  • Ryan Leary, Senior Heritage Planner
  • Derek Ochej, Deputy City Clerk
  • Laurie Paquin, Project Manager, Parks Development
  • Phillip Prell, Intermediate Heritage Planner
  • Niki Van Vugt, Intermediate Planner
Others Present:
  • Members of the public were present.


  • Moved by:Councillor Oosterhof
    Seconded by:Ms. Stevens

    That Councillor Glenn be elected as Chair of the Kingston Heritage Properties Committee for a term ending November 30, 2025. 

    Carried
  • Moved by:Ms. Stevens
    Seconded by:Mr. Mayo

    That Jennifer Demitor be elected as Vice-Chair of the Kingston Heritage Properties Committee for a term ending November 30, 2025. 

    Carried

The Chair called the meeting to order at 9:32 a.m.

  • Moved by:Ms. Demitor
    Seconded by:Mr. Mayo

    That the agenda be amended to include the addendum, and as amended, be approved. 

    Carried
  • Moved by:Ms. Demitor
    Seconded by:Ms. Stevens

    That the minutes of Kingston Heritage Properties Committee Meeting Number 12-2024, held Wednesday, November 20, 2024, be approved. 

    Carried

There were none.

Joel Konrad, Manager, Heritage Planning and Sukriti Agarwal, Manager, Policy Planning were present and spoke to the Committee regarding the North King's Town Cultural Heritage Study Report.

Councillor Oosterhof asked if a map could be displayed outlining important heritage considerations. He asked if the Cataraqui River is a heritage consideration.

Mr. Prell noted that a map is included in Exhibit B to the report. He explained that there are eight major character areas highlighted in the Cultural Heritage Study that were identified as having large concentrations of heritage resources. He noted that these character areas will need further evaluation through either individual designation or the expansion of the St. Lawrence Heritage Character Area.

Mr. Prell stated that the plan offers recommendations to redevelop and restore the Outer Station to reincorporate it back into the community. He further stated that each of the eight major character areas have different recommendations and general guidelines to ensure that heritage character will be retained while also allowing for appropriate redevelopment. He explained that the view of the water would be maintained. He added that the road network in that area will need to be increased considering redevelopment in the future. He highlighted that there is a push to ensure the Belle Island Accord is upheld.

Ms. Paquin conducted a PowerPoint presentation regarding the Cricket Field Baseball Diamond Fencing - 32 Bagot Street Report. A copy of this presentation is available upon request through the City Clerk's Department.

Ms. Stevens asked where the funding originated for the baseball diamond. Ms. Paquin noted that it was a City of Kingston funded capital project.

Mr. Gower expressed concern regarding a temporary fence as removing it can lead to damage. He suggested that the baseball diamond be well fenced and unchanged from its current configuration.

Mr. Prell introduced the application.

The Committee did not provide comment.

The Chair provided an opportunity for members of the public to speak.

Don Taylor expressed general support for the project. He suggested that on the addition the windows could be designed as one over one to distinguish the addition from the original heritage building.

  • Moved by:Ms. Demitor
    Seconded by:Mr. Gower

    That the Kingston Heritage Properties Committee supports Council’s approval of the following:

    That alterations to the property at 244 James Street, be approved in accordance with details as described in the application (P18-110-2024), which was deemed complete on November 7, 2024 with said alterations to include changes to the existing building/property and the construction of a two-storey addition in the rear and west of the existing building, specifically:

    Alterations to the Existing Building/Property:

      1. Addition of two new skylights on the western roof pitch near the rear of the roof ridge, a new metal cap on the existing chimney and a new 1.5-1.8 metre tall painted white fence bisecting the driveway;
      2. Replacement of two casement windows on the second-floor as well as a first-floor entry way on the 2005 addition with aluminum clad wood sash windows with exterior muntin bars;
      3. Replacement of a modern metal flue with a vent;
      4. Repaint the building in a grey tone;

    Details of the Proposed Addition:

      1. Construction of a two-storey addition approximately 0.5 metres lower in height than the existing roof ridgeline of the original portion of the property, located in the rear and side yards, that step down to a one-storey addition deeper into the property;
      2. The addition will feature a galvanized sheet steel roof like the existing, prefinished wood siding with the same/similar dimensions as the existing and a similar but different grey tone to the original portion of the building;
      3. The addition will include two new covered wood porches with associated doors along the east and north of the building as well as historically appropriate and modern window systems/trim on the north elevation;
      4. The addition will include two elongated rectangular aluminum clad wood sash windows with flat window surrounds on the west elevation visible to the public realm;
      5. All but two windows visible to the public realm in the new addition will be rectangular aluminum clad wood sash windows with simulated divided lites and flat window surrounds; and

    That the approval of the application is subject to the conditions outlined in Exhibit A to Report Number HP-25-001.

    Carried

Mr. Konrad introduced the application.

Councillor Oosterhof voiced concerns regarding the cost of insurance. He sought clarification regarding timelines for deferral. He asked if the committee could challenge the historical attributes of a building as detailed in the designating by-law. Mr. Konrad explained that City staff are currently in the process of meeting with the insurance industry to understand recent concerns over a change in approach with respect to insuring heritage properties. He added that a deferral will allow for more time for City staff to look into and clarify what these issues. Mr. Gibbs explained that the application is unique in that a Notice of Intention to Designate has not yet been issued by Council and does not need to adhere to timelines under the Ontario Heritage Act. He added that the Province has allowed municipalities until the end of 2026 to designate or delist any property listed on the Municipal Heritage Register.

Mr. Leary further explained that the committee can challenge the historical attributes of a building as the role of the Committee is to follow the guidelines of the Ontario Heritage Act, the City’s Official Plan and the Procedural Bylaw for Heritage to make recommendations to Council. He noted that the Committee has the opportunity to frame how this application goes to Council and this recommendation would allow for more time to investigate insurance concerns.

Councillor Glenn sought clarification regarding the role of the Committee and Council with this application. Ms. Hannah explained if the recommendation is carried, Business Item 6 will be withdrawn as a recommendation for this property will have already been put forward to Council. Mr. Ochej added that regardless of the Committee decision, the application will need to go to Council on January 14, 2025 where a final decision will be made. He noted that the Committee has the opportunity to either recommend the property be designated as heritage property or recommend that Council refer the application back to the committee to allow for more time to investigate insurance concerns.

Mr. Gower voiced support for the recommendation to allow for more time.

The Chair provided an opportunity for members of the public to speak.

Karen Eves, 2973 Orser Road, explained that the insurance for the property is unique given the property use. She voiced concerns regarding a lengthy timeline as notice for the new insurance been given and can come into effect at anytime. She asked how heritage aspects of the building can be challenged. She inquired how additions and alterations done in the 1960s and 1970s play a factor in designation. She added that about 25% of the home is historical and noted modern aspects of the building, including fencing. She stated that there will be no visual of the house from the road due to fencing for livestock.

Don Taylor spoke to his experience of owning a heritage designated home. He added that he did not understand insurance concerns.

Mr. Leary explained that Heritage staff reach out to property owners to elicit feedback and to understand the property beyond historic matters. He added that the property meets five of the nine tests under the Ontario Heritage Act. He further explained that the value goes beyond the building itself and associative value and contextual value are equally as important as the design value of a building. Mr. Konrad added that this application will go to Council in January either with a recommendation to refer the application back to the committee or with a recommendation to proceed with designation.

Councillor Oosterhof voiced support for the recommendation.

Ms. Stevens asked if the insurance company is concerned with a farming business on the property. She inquired if there have been similar concerns with other farms with heritage designations. Mr. Konrad stated there is an issue in a connection between agricultural properties and insurance for designated properties. He noted this is a new concern and the City is in early conversations addressing this and similar concerns with future properties.

The Chair was passed to Ms. Demitor.

Councillor Glenn voiced support for the recommendation. She noted that the final decision made at the Council on January 14, 2025.

The Chair was returned to Councillor Glenn.

  • Moved by:Ms. Demitor
    Seconded by:Councillor Oosterhof

    That the Kingston Heritage Properties Committee recommends to Council: 

    That the following recommendation in Report Number HP-24-039, Notice of Intention to Designate - 2973 Orser Road, be referred back to the Kingston Heritage Properties Committee for consideration at a meeting no later than Q1 2026: 

    That Council direct staff to serve a Notice of Intention to Designate the property located at 2973 Orser Road, known as the Orser Farmstead, as a property of cultural heritage value or interest pursuant to Section 29 of the Ontario Heritage Act, attached as Exhibit A to Report Number HP-24-039; and

    That should no Notice of Objection be received by the Clerk of The Corporation of the City of Kingston within thirty (30) days of the publication of the Notice of Intention to Designate, the Designation By-Law for 2973 Orser Road, known as the Orser Farmstead, attached as Exhibit I to Report Number HP-24-036, be presented to Council for all three readings, and that staff be directed to carry out the requirements as prescribed under Section 29(8) of the Act.

    Carried

Business Item 6 was withdrawn due to the approval of Business Item 5. 

  • That the Kingston Heritage Properties Committee recommend to Council: 

    That Council direct staff to serve a Notice of Intention to Designate the property located at 2973 Orser Road, known as the Orser Farmstead, as a property of cultural heritage value or interest pursuant to Section 29 of the Ontario Heritage Act, attached as Exhibit A to Report Number HP-24-039; and

    That should no Notice of Objection be received by the Clerk of The Corporation of the City of Kingston within thirty (30) days of the publication of the Notice of Intention to Designate, the Designation By-Law for 2973 Orser Road, known as the Orser Farmstead, attached as Exhibit I to Report Number HP-24-036, be presented to Council for all three readings, and that staff be directed to carry out the requirements as prescribed under Section 29(8) of the Act

    Withdrawn

Mr. Konrad and Ms. Agarwal indicated that they had nothing to add to the Briefing provided.

The Committee did not provide comment.

The Chair provided an opportunity for members of the public to speak. There were no comments received by members of the public.

Councillor Glenn inquired about feedback results. She asked what option is best considering the heritage aspects and the previous use of the space. Mr. Follwell explained that Council had directed consultation with the Sydenham District Association where preference falls with the replacement of the outfield fence with a temporary fence. He noted further consultation took place with baseball associations, Tourism Kingston, and Kingston Accommodation Partners who preferred the baseball diamond to remain in its current state with the addition of suggested safety features. Mr. Prell explained that all options appear to be sympathetic to heritage considerations. He noted that a black or grey colour would be preferred to ensure a focus on the attributes of the park itself as well as the view of the Frontenac County Courthouse.

Councillor Oosterhof thanked staff for the report. He noted his support for options three or four.

The Chair provided the opportunity for members of the public to speak.

David Gordon conducted a PowerPoint presentation regarding the Cricket Field Baseball Diamond Fencing. A copy of this presentation is available upon request through the City Clerk's Department.

Don Taylor voiced concern with a permanent outfield fence impeding the use of the park. He suggested removal of the outfield fence and portions of side fence beyond the dugouts. He added that a temporary event fence could be used only when needed.

Mr. Leary noted Shirley Bailey would like to be appointed to the Heritage Properties Working Group.

  • Moved by:Ms. Demitor
    Seconded by:Councillor Oosterhof

    That the following residents be appointed to the Heritage Properties Working Group: 

    • Shirley Bailey
    • Helen Finley;
    • Ed Grenda;
    • Jane McFarlane; and 
    • Don Taylor
    Carried
  • Amendment:
    Moved by:Ms. Demitor
    Seconded by:Mr. Mayo

    That Shirley Bailey be appointed to the Heritage Properties Working Group.

    Carried

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The next meeting of the Kingston Heritage Properties Committee is scheduled for Wednesday, January 15, 2025 at 9:30 a.m. 

  • Moved by:Ms. Demitor
    Seconded by:Mr. Mayo

    That the meeting of the Kingston Heritage Properties Committee adjourn at 10:51 a.m.

    Carried